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> The assertion that the time is "not someone's business" is incorrect. The time is everyone's business.

You misunderstood my meaning. I understand that everyone is concerned and affected by time. What I meant is it's not in their purview to push such things on the public.

Once again, the rest of the world works perfectly fine without the added complexity, so it should be proven with strong evidence rather than vague arguments that the added complexity is worth it. The rest of the world works perfectly well without DST.



> it's not in their purview to push such things on the public

It is, in fact, in the purview of the public to change the status quo as it pertains to time. We did it in when daylight savings was established, and we are going to do it again now that we are moving to permanent DST. The status quo affects people who don't like it, and they have every right to try to see it changed. There is no reasonable theory of politics that privileges the status quo to the point you seem to be contemplating.

> The rest of the world works perfectly well without DST.

Maybe we are talking past each other. You say the rest of the world does fine without DST. That's not actually true, most countries do have daylight savings. But you're certainly right that many countries do fine without it. For example it is not observed in South Korea. And after this law passes, so will the United States (i.e. the effect of this law is to abolish daylight savings time, by moving the clock permanently to the DST configuration).


We’ve tried this before 70 years ago and within a year we changed it back. It’s a bad idea and we haven’t had a national discussion about it. Once everyone on the east coast and Midwest sees it’s dark until 8:30AM it will be reversed if it even passes.

It’s a silly idea that once thought out becomes clear.


Okay, then see you in three years when this policy is actually enacted to see if that's how it plays out, and until then there's no need for all of the kvetching.


Yeah we are probably talking past each other. I think we are mostly on the same page and getting caught up in semantics.




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